[ { "timestamp": [0, 2.26], "text": " (drumming)" }, { "timestamp": [6.44, 9.64], "text": " Welcome back to Linux Prepper." }, { "timestamp": [9.64, 13.26], "text": " Hey everybody, welcome to this experimental podcast" }, { "timestamp": [13.26, 18.26], "text": " where we talk about fully open tools, Linux, open VSD," }, { "timestamp": [19.08, 21.16], "text": " but also just things like enjoying your life" }, { "timestamp": [21.16, 25.52], "text": " and ways to use technology for offline, you know, just in" }, { "timestamp": [25.52, 31.12], "text": " real life activities and having a good time and enjoying your life. Our goal is" }, { "timestamp": [31.12, 35.88], "text": " always to use as fully open tooling as possible, but doesn't mean that we'll" }, { "timestamp": [35.88, 42.6], "text": " succeed. So we'll just get as far as we can. I want to start this episode by" }, { "timestamp": [42.6, 48.14], "text": " giving a few quick announcements and then we'll jump into" }, { "timestamp": [48.14, 50.24], "text": " me having my first guest." }, { "timestamp": [50.24, 51.24], "text": " So quick announcements." }, { "timestamp": [51.24, 54.68], "text": " I will be tabling at Linux Fest Northwest." }, { "timestamp": [54.68, 56.88], "text": " That is in Bellingham, Washington." }, { "timestamp": [56.88, 59.6], "text": " It is an excellent Linux con." }, { "timestamp": [59.6, 60.8], "text": " It is a convention." }, { "timestamp": [60.8, 64.24], "text": " It will be happening April 25th to the 27th." }, { "timestamp": [64.24, 69.64], "text": " I'm going to be tabling there, which means I will be at a table. You can come up, say hi. I will" }, { "timestamp": [69.64, 75.36], "text": " be happy to meet you, introduce myself, and I'm going to bring fun goodies for" }, { "timestamp": [75.36, 80.52], "text": " convention goers to enjoy at the table. And I've been experimenting a lot with" }, { "timestamp": [80.52, 87], "text": " zines and paper crafts and printing. I have a whole episode dedicated to it, which" }, { "timestamp": [87, 92.32], "text": " I look forward to sharing soon. So that's something to look forward to. So I hope to" }, { "timestamp": [92.32, 99.16], "text": " see you at Linux Fest Northwest. And let's check in on the state of the podcast. The" }, { "timestamp": [99.16, 106.9], "text": " podcast actually has a forum now. I've put a forum at discuss.James.Network where you can submit" }, { "timestamp": [106.9, 115.06], "text": " your thoughts and I also will release extensive show notes. So podcasting you can only include" }, { "timestamp": [115.06, 121], "text": " so much information in show notes there's limits. But if you go to discuss.James.Network" }, { "timestamp": [121, 127.44], "text": " you will be able to see more extensive notes or details of projects as I work on them." }, { "timestamp": [128.32, 133.28], "text": " So feel free to go to discuss.james.network. You can also create an account and post there if" }, { "timestamp": [133.28, 139.28], "text": " you want. Or if you are a part of the matrix chat, the posts are being relayed there that are" }, { "timestamp": [140.24, 146], "text": " related to Linux Prepper. So go ahead and check out discuss.james.network" }, { "timestamp": [146, 150], "text": " and you can check out a flarum forum, it's PHP coded." }, { "timestamp": [150, 154], "text": " And yeah, that's off to a nice start." }, { "timestamp": [154, 159], "text": " Also, I was asked about a way for people to submit" }, { "timestamp": [159, 163], "text": " web-based feedback or mobile feedback without an account." }, { "timestamp": [163, 166.2], "text": " So we now have a next cloud form, which is" }, { "timestamp": [166.2, 171], "text": " linked in the show notes. It is a one pager. It's super easy. You can jump on there and" }, { "timestamp": [171, 176.88], "text": " leave me feedback as an alternative to like email. So if you look in the notes on the" }, { "timestamp": [176.88, 183], "text": " podcast, scroll down, there will be a link to a form. Anyone can fill out and feel free" }, { "timestamp": [183, 185.84], "text": " to send me suggestions as well or information" }, { "timestamp": [185.84, 191.64], "text": " about your projects. It's all good. Okay, so yeah. In the next episode I'll give" }, { "timestamp": [191.64, 197.68], "text": " more details on how people can be a sponsor of the show." }, { "timestamp": [197.68, 203.72], "text": " Speaking of sponsors, happy to announce Linux Prepper has its first sponsor and" }, { "timestamp": [203.72, 205], "text": " that is Ameradroid." }, { "timestamp": [205, 217], "text": " Ameradroid is a US-based distributor of single-board computers and home animation products like for Linux, Android, or whatever you might like." }, { "timestamp": [217, 227.58], "text": " They're a great company based in California and it's an excellent alternative to ordering direct from someone like Pine64 or HardCurnall" }, { "timestamp": [227.58, 229.08], "text": " who produces o-droids." }, { "timestamp": [229.08, 231], "text": " Instead, you can go through Ameradroid." }, { "timestamp": [231, 236.86], "text": " They provide super fast turnaround, excellent customer service for a change." }, { "timestamp": [236.86, 241.28], "text": " You can get global shipping from whatever your preferred shipping method is." }, { "timestamp": [241.28, 242.52], "text": " They're happy to do that." }, { "timestamp": [242.52, 248.4], "text": " I've been a customer with them since 2017 and I've never" }, { "timestamp": [248.4, 254.08], "text": " had a problem with them. I just went and toured their facility. Super nice people, just normal" }, { "timestamp": [254.08, 260.24], "text": " people working there and they provide all kinds of goodies. So I will drop a referral link in the" }, { "timestamp": [260.24, 265.78], "text": " show and I am very thankful to them for sponsoring Linux Prepper. Be sure to" }, { "timestamp": [265.78, 272.78], "text": " check out emeridroid.com. You can also use the coupon Linux Prepper at checkout. If" }, { "timestamp": [272.78, 279.62], "text": " you would like to support me and yeah, you can do so right now by I have a PayPal link" }, { "timestamp": [279.62, 286.84], "text": " but I'm working on setting up recurring donations and a little web store for merch. So that's something to look forward to in the future." }, { "timestamp": [286.84, 289.2], "text": " It's not quite ready yet, but for the time being," }, { "timestamp": [289.2, 290.96], "text": " there is a PayPal link if you'd like to donate" }, { "timestamp": [290.96, 292.24], "text": " directly to support me." }, { "timestamp": [292.24, 295.64], "text": " Otherwise, if you would be willing to share this podcast" }, { "timestamp": [295.64, 299.28], "text": " with friends, family, enemies, or anyone that might be" }, { "timestamp": [299.28, 303.44], "text": " interested in it as an enthusiast, I'd really appreciate it." }, { "timestamp": [303.44, 305.16], "text": " It's just a small little show," }, { "timestamp": [305.16, 307.2], "text": " and we can grow it together." }, { "timestamp": [307.2, 310.16], "text": " So if you like the show, please do share it." }, { "timestamp": [310.16, 312.64], "text": " Appreciate you so much for doing that," }, { "timestamp": [312.64, 314.32], "text": " and thank you for listening." }, { "timestamp": [314.32, 315.92], "text": " Let's move right along." }, { "timestamp": [315.92, 317.76], "text": " As a little software spotlight," }, { "timestamp": [317.76, 320.4], "text": " I'd like to take a moment to give a shout out" }, { "timestamp": [320.4, 323.04], "text": " to the project Libre Wolf." }, { "timestamp": [323.04, 327.84], "text": " Libre Wolf is a fork of Firefox, which has been effectively" }, { "timestamp": [327.84, 333.08], "text": " de-googled and things like Pocket and other integrations that are forced on new sponsored" }, { "timestamp": [333.08, 339.64], "text": " links are all removed by default. I actually have been enjoying Libre Wolf a lot because" }, { "timestamp": [339.64, 347.84], "text": " in the process of setting up some new machines and browsers. I just find I'm a little bit annoyed by having to make" }, { "timestamp": [347.84, 350], "text": " certain system changes." }, { "timestamp": [350, 353.8], "text": " Firefox, of course, can be handled by using profiles" }, { "timestamp": [353.8, 356.24], "text": " and copying them around." }, { "timestamp": [356.24, 358.88], "text": " But I think we can all agree that if you have to set up" }, { "timestamp": [358.88, 362.76], "text": " Firefox on multiple machines, it just becomes kind of annoying" }, { "timestamp": [362.76, 368.68], "text": " to remove all the Google and the other sponsored stuff that they are forced to give you by default advertising stuff." }, { "timestamp": [368.68, 372.6], "text": " So it's nice to have LibreWolf and spin it up and it's already ready to go." }, { "timestamp": [372.6, 378.6], "text": " And LibreWolf is a simple enough fork of Firefox. It stays tight to the" }, { "timestamp": [378.6, 383.68], "text": " regular release cycle and nothing stops you from running it alongside regular" }, { "timestamp": [383.68, 385], "text": " Firefox or Chrome." }, { "timestamp": [385, 391], "text": " So I would recommend anyone jump on your package manager and look up LibreWolf." }, { "timestamp": [391, 393], "text": " Link in the show notes." }, { "timestamp": [393, 396], "text": " I'd also like to give a shout out to a website." }, { "timestamp": [396, 401], "text": " I had the thought recently of making a badge called \"Works on My Machine\"" }, { "timestamp": [401, 404], "text": " because we all have that thing that, you know, other people complain about" }, { "timestamp": [404, 406.32], "text": " and we're thinking, \"Well, works on My Machine.\" Well, it that thing that you know other people complain about more thinking works on my machine" }, { "timestamp": [406.4, 408.56], "text": " Well, it turns out someone beat me to the punch" }, { "timestamp": [409.48, 412.08], "text": " specifically coding horror coding horror is" }, { "timestamp": [412.96, 414.96], "text": " horror is a" }, { "timestamp": [415.84, 420.76], "text": " developer from the discourse project great forum project who" }, { "timestamp": [421.76, 424.72], "text": " Created a works on my machine badge. I" }, { "timestamp": [425, 425.6], "text": " who created a Works on My Machine badge." }, { "timestamp": [427.76, 430.9], "text": " I will drop a link to that in the show notes and that is something that I am planning on providing" }, { "timestamp": [430.9, 434], "text": " at Linux Fest Northwest, my own iteration" }, { "timestamp": [434, 435.88], "text": " of the Works on My Machine badge." }, { "timestamp": [435.88, 437.4], "text": " 'Cause who doesn't want that?" }, { "timestamp": [439.32, 443.24], "text": " Works on my machine link in the show notes." }, { "timestamp": [443.24, 449.76], "text": " Ooh, before I forget, there's another really cool web project that is on Kickstarter right" }, { "timestamp": [449.76, 450.76], "text": " now." }, { "timestamp": [450.76, 454.24], "text": " That is PixelFed and Loops by Danza." }, { "timestamp": [454.24, 455.88], "text": " PixelFed and Loops." }, { "timestamp": [455.88, 458.92], "text": " They are sharing platforms that are fully federated." }, { "timestamp": [458.92, 463.24], "text": " All the Mastodon, Activity Pub, and the Fediverse." }, { "timestamp": [463.24, 470.36], "text": " The specific goal of these projects is Pixel Fed wants to be federated alternative to Instagram" }, { "timestamp": [470.36, 475.04], "text": " where Loops wants to be a video alternative to TikTok." }, { "timestamp": [475.04, 478], "text": " Both projects are of course fully open source." }, { "timestamp": [478, 481.04], "text": " Pixel Fed having been in development since 2018." }, { "timestamp": [481.04, 486.12], "text": " You definitely know that Dan's uptakes has worked seriously and there are clients" }, { "timestamp": [486.12, 489], "text": " already available for Android and iOS." }, { "timestamp": [489, 490.92], "text": " Pixel Fed is a very mature project," }, { "timestamp": [490.92, 494.08], "text": " Loops is more recent, and I think it's great" }, { "timestamp": [494.08, 495.8], "text": " that there's a Kickstarter and I'm happy to say" }, { "timestamp": [495.8, 498.92], "text": " that it's doing really well, has a $35,000 goal," }, { "timestamp": [498.92, 501.4], "text": " it's made about 90,000 right now," }, { "timestamp": [501.4, 506.32], "text": " there's just over a day left to go. So if that's something interests you" }, { "timestamp": [506.32, 513.12], "text": " I'm gonna leave a link for the kinks Kickstarter and be sure to support Dan's up and throw him a few bucks and" }, { "timestamp": [513.6, 519.8], "text": " I think it's a very laudable goal, you know to make a federated alternative to major social media platforms" }, { "timestamp": [520.6, 524.4], "text": " Not so different from this very podcast if you don't know" }, { "timestamp": [524.84, 531.08], "text": " the Not so different from this very podcast. If you don't know, the podcast.James.Network is actually available on the Fediverse from" }, { "timestamp": [531.08, 532.24], "text": " Mastodon." }, { "timestamp": [532.24, 538.4], "text": " If you go to atlinixprepper@podcast.James.Network, you can interact with this podcast from your" }, { "timestamp": [538.4, 540.88], "text": " federated platform of choice." }, { "timestamp": [540.88, 545.44], "text": " And I think it's good to financially donate know, financially donate to other people who are" }, { "timestamp": [545.44, 550.68], "text": " trying to do the same thing. So if you can, please join me in kicking a few bucks to" }, { "timestamp": [550.68, 557.68], "text": " dance up. Link in the show notes for the Kickstarter. And without further ado, for this episode," }, { "timestamp": [557.68, 567.2], "text": " we're going to move on to our primary segment. I'm happy to announce that I have a couple long form interviews that are coming up." }, { "timestamp": [567.2, 568.52], "text": " So that's something to enjoy." }, { "timestamp": [568.52, 574.64], "text": " I will be releasing a second podcast episode this month." }, { "timestamp": [574.64, 577.76], "text": " That'll be coming out in the next week or so." }, { "timestamp": [577.76, 583.52], "text": " And that's also a celebration of the six months of this podcast as of the 11th." }, { "timestamp": [583.52, 586.56], "text": " So in the in between time, let's get to our main segment" }, { "timestamp": [586.56, 591.32], "text": " of this episode, which is your audience feedback." }, { "timestamp": [591.32, 592.16], "text": " Here we go." }, { "timestamp": [593.2, 597.72], "text": " - So I think a fun thing to talk about" }, { "timestamp": [597.72, 600.72], "text": " in terms of the show is like some of the feedback" }, { "timestamp": [600.72, 604.28], "text": " that I got from people said, directly relevant" }, { "timestamp": [604.28, 605.4], "text": " is this one." }, { "timestamp": [605.4, 608.76], "text": " Do you ever plan on having a guest or even a co-host on the show?" }, { "timestamp": [608.76, 611.44], "text": " Well, bump, bump, bump." }, { "timestamp": [611.44, 615.18], "text": " I am recording with another person right now." }, { "timestamp": [615.18, 617.36], "text": " And why don't you introduce yourself?" }, { "timestamp": [617.36, 621.84], "text": " Hello, my name is Henry Bogart." }, { "timestamp": [621.84, 628.64], "text": " Whereas I go in the hacker circles, HP, I've been doing tech stuff probably about eight years now." }, { "timestamp": [629.4, 631.36], "text": " I can't promise that I'm very good at it," }, { "timestamp": [631.36, 635.84], "text": " but somewhere along the way I did run into James at Noisebridge," }, { "timestamp": [635.84, 637.24], "text": " and that was really cool." }, { "timestamp": [637.24, 639.04], "text": " We seem to hit it off pretty quickly." }, { "timestamp": [640.36, 642.12], "text": " We've both been doing self-hosting," }, { "timestamp": [642.12, 645.54], "text": " so that's been one of a kind of a recurring topic that we've had." }, { "timestamp": [645.54, 650.54], "text": " I've been building out my home lab pretty seriously for the last two years." }, { "timestamp": [650.54, 658.82], "text": " I kind of got inspired by a creator on YouTube named TechnoTim to just start small and see kind of where things go." }, { "timestamp": [658.82, 668.64], "text": " And now I have a very small rack, but at least two servers that I can work with here for NAS and for virtualization." }, { "timestamp": [668.64, 672.92], "text": " But yeah, so most of my interest in the past several years" }, { "timestamp": [672.92, 676], "text": " have been around system administration, privacy" }, { "timestamp": [676, 681.6], "text": " and security, CTF, stuff like that." }, { "timestamp": [681.6, 682.24], "text": " Cool." }, { "timestamp": [682.24, 683.56], "text": " Happy to have you on board." }, { "timestamp": [683.56, 687.24], "text": " I'm very excited about this. I thought maybe we'll" }, { "timestamp": [687.24, 690.92], "text": " just go through a couple of pieces of audience feedback and that way you and I could both" }, { "timestamp": [690.92, 697.04], "text": " just kind of react to them together. It's fun. This is from the last episode that I" }, { "timestamp": [697.04, 706.32], "text": " just did by Raspberry Pi where I was sending off my old Raspberry Pi device, as a little server devices to friends houses to run services." }, { "timestamp": [706.88, 712.56], "text": " And my friends house said there was a loose search protector, which I replaced, and somebody" }, { "timestamp": [712.56, 716.96], "text": " responded back, concerning the loose search protector, it's a good thing you replaced it." }, { "timestamp": [716.96, 721.84], "text": " If you see something like that, and it's mains voltage, always replace it ASAP. Not because it" }, { "timestamp": [721.84, 726.36], "text": " looks nice, or because the device gets unhooked, but because it's a proper fire hazard." }, { "timestamp": [726.56, 730.48], "text": " A whole house could burn down if you have loose mains connections, and that can lead" }, { "timestamp": [730.48, 731.64], "text": " to electrical sparks." }, { "timestamp": [732.6, 734.84], "text": " So I just want to say good point." }, { "timestamp": [735, 738.44], "text": " I appreciate someone saying that in, but do you ever have experience with" }, { "timestamp": [738.44, 739.2], "text": " stuff like that?" }, { "timestamp": [739.2, 741.2], "text": " Bogard, do you ever have experience with loose stuff?" }, { "timestamp": [742.2, 744.52], "text": " Loose loose wiring and stuff." }, { "timestamp": [744.56, 745], "text": " Um, you know, I mean, when you think of some terrifying, um, experience with loose stuff? Loose some wiring and stuff." }, { "timestamp": [745, 751.7], "text": " You know, I mean, when you think of some terrifying incidents, I was working actually." }, { "timestamp": [751.7, 759.24], "text": " I did some electrical work back in the day on generators and junction boxes and general" }, { "timestamp": [759.24, 761.68], "text": " splicing and dicing." }, { "timestamp": [761.68, 766.32], "text": " And one day I went to just take a peek at this junction box, like, you know, electrical" }, { "timestamp": [766.32, 771.48], "text": " box and I somehow arked it with my pliers." }, { "timestamp": [771.48, 774.48], "text": " And it arked it." }, { "timestamp": [774.48, 775.48], "text": " Yeah, I did." }, { "timestamp": [775.48, 776.48], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [776.48, 780.36], "text": " So like when I looked at my pliers, they're essentially melted because they sparked what" }, { "timestamp": [780.36, 784.84], "text": " they caught on to the main rail or whatever and something else." }, { "timestamp": [784.84, 786.6], "text": " So it was totally unintentional." }, { "timestamp": [786.6, 789], "text": " I really didn't notice it, but it happened so fast." }, { "timestamp": [789, 793.6], "text": " It was the scariest thing in the world and it could have gone a lot worse, you know," }, { "timestamp": [793.6, 796.6], "text": " but apparently had some good insulation on the pliers," }, { "timestamp": [796.6, 802.2], "text": " but it did flash in my face and oops, scared me quite bad." }, { "timestamp": [802.2, 805.16], "text": " And I could fill my face like kind of warm." }, { "timestamp": [805.16, 808.16], "text": " So that's probably a little more terrifying than loose swires," }, { "timestamp": [808.16, 809.8], "text": " but I thought I'd share that at least." }, { "timestamp": [809.8, 811.28], "text": " - That is terrifying." }, { "timestamp": [811.28, 812.12], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [814.2, 817.32], "text": " Yeah, my experience hasn't been with anything arching," }, { "timestamp": [817.32, 820.04], "text": " but I've definitely seen situations where," }, { "timestamp": [820.04, 822.08], "text": " you know, the electrical box itself was like" }, { "timestamp": [822.08, 824.52], "text": " not properly set up in someone's house." }, { "timestamp": [824.52, 828.2], "text": " And so, you know, once you start plugging a lot of things, you just start" }, { "timestamp": [828.2, 833.14], "text": " having to reset the breaker all the time until the breaker box gets broken apart." }, { "timestamp": [833.14, 837.68], "text": " So the amperage is like properly managed for especially high power device," }, { "timestamp": [837.68, 840.08], "text": " usually higher power than even what we were talking about." }, { "timestamp": [840.08, 844.8], "text": " But like, yeah, things that can cause electrical malfunction, obviously a problem." }, { "timestamp": [846, 846.72], "text": " Um, okay. can cause electrical malfunction. Obviously a problem. Okay." }, { "timestamp": [847.36, 851.68], "text": " Next thing somebody says, the pie is not meant for heavy network traffic." }, { "timestamp": [851.68, 852.8], "text": " It cannot handle it." }, { "timestamp": [852.8, 858.88], "text": " Now, if you do this on a nook until nook, a little x86 box, that would work fine." }, { "timestamp": [858.88, 859.92], "text": " Pie not so much." }, { "timestamp": [859.92, 863.36], "text": " You'll probably have a dead pie within a short period of time." }, { "timestamp": [863.36, 866.42], "text": " If you want to try it for yourself, go ahead, but before warned," }, { "timestamp": [866.64, 870.92], "text": " you will probably have it exhausted over heated dead pie." }, { "timestamp": [874.82, 877.1], "text": " I appreciate the positivity on that one." }, { "timestamp": [877.1, 877.9], "text": " That's pretty great." }, { "timestamp": [878.62, 882.02], "text": " Well, I mean, I've been running these sit for like four years." }, { "timestamp": [882.02, 883.94], "text": " So they've been working." }, { "timestamp": [883.98, 886.64], "text": " Um, and they're specifically," }, { "timestamp": [886.64, 889.24], "text": " user Rads, a case, I mentioned, I think back" }, { "timestamp": [889.24, 892.44], "text": " in the first or second episode on these Pi 4s," }, { "timestamp": [892.44, 897.16], "text": " but it has a really nice, the power for this," }, { "timestamp": [897.16, 900.2], "text": " these Raspberry Pi specifically is nicer than normal." }, { "timestamp": [901.12, 903.58], "text": " And they've been working just fine with SSDs." }, { "timestamp": [903.58, 905.88], "text": " But I think it's true that of course," }, { "timestamp": [905.88, 907.36], "text": " set expectations accordingly." }, { "timestamp": [907.36, 909.48], "text": " This is not a powerhouse machine," }, { "timestamp": [909.48, 912.32], "text": " but that directly coincides with why I'm willing" }, { "timestamp": [912.32, 914.08], "text": " to give these devices to friends." }, { "timestamp": [914.08, 916.48], "text": " It was still a huge financial investment to me upfront," }, { "timestamp": [916.48, 919.12], "text": " to put SSD disks on this thing or whatever," }, { "timestamp": [919.12, 922.68], "text": " but I'm okay if it disappears." }, { "timestamp": [922.68, 924.48], "text": " I'm not worried about," }, { "timestamp": [924.48, 926.68], "text": " we're talking about catastrophic failure kind of stuff here," }, { "timestamp": [926.68, 928.4], "text": " but I'm not really worried about that." }, { "timestamp": [928.4, 931.92], "text": " I'm more worried about things just being unplugged and ignored." }, { "timestamp": [931.92, 934.2], "text": " That's the more realistic problem it's going to happen." }, { "timestamp": [934.2, 936.04], "text": " No one's going to use it." }, { "timestamp": [936.04, 941.52], "text": " In that case, I'm not worried about it, nor am I worried about reclaiming it from the" }, { "timestamp": [941.52, 942.52], "text": " person." }, { "timestamp": [942.52, 944.52], "text": " It's okay if it doesn't work." }, { "timestamp": [944.52, 945.4], "text": " That's more where I'm coming" }, { "timestamp": [945.4, 951.72], "text": " from personally. But I agree that there's other devices that are superior. So I don't" }, { "timestamp": [951.72, 952.72], "text": " question that." }, { "timestamp": [952.72, 960.16], "text": " Yeah, I don't question either. I do agree though that the pie can really put some, you" }, { "timestamp": [960.16, 968.32], "text": " know, put some power into to you actually learning how to do networking. I mean, that's really one of the more powerful things about it." }, { "timestamp": [968.32, 974.88], "text": " And they are actually pretty stable, I think, as far as hardware is concerned." }, { "timestamp": [974.88, 980.6], "text": " And I kind of appreciate the fact that you can just kind of drop them in anywhere." }, { "timestamp": [980.6, 985.28], "text": " One of the difficulties, I think, especially for people living in the Bay Area who are" }, { "timestamp": [985.28, 989.12], "text": " experimenting with stuff like this, and I wouldn't say even exclusive to this area," }, { "timestamp": [989.12, 992.32], "text": " but most people are forced into smaller places." }, { "timestamp": [993.52, 996.24], "text": " You have to live in an apartment just to really afford a place out here." }, { "timestamp": [997.52, 1002.32], "text": " But I can't have a crazy amount of gear just strewn across my house." }, { "timestamp": [1002.32, 1008], "text": " I mean, it's just absurd. So I try to limit my, most of my" }, { "timestamp": [1008, 1013.76], "text": " equipment into one area and I try to keep it tidy. I can't say I always do that. But I had" }, { "timestamp": [1013.76, 1020.8], "text": " similar experience switching to Intel NUC as one of my primary devices for a lot of my proxy" }, { "timestamp": [1020.8, 1028.24], "text": " services and stuff like that. And really, really noticed the difference in power," }, { "timestamp": [1028.24, 1030.76], "text": " even though it's not like the newest model or anything," }, { "timestamp": [1030.76, 1034.26], "text": " but very, very stable, very fitting for like" }, { "timestamp": [1034.26, 1036.2], "text": " a small Linux server." }, { "timestamp": [1036.2, 1039.96], "text": " And then my Raspberry Pi's became more like" }, { "timestamp": [1039.96, 1042.36], "text": " kind of complimentary devices on the network" }, { "timestamp": [1042.36, 1044.36], "text": " that were more for experimentation." }, { "timestamp": [1045.64, 1047.2], "text": " And just other weird stuff." }, { "timestamp": [1048.84, 1053.8], "text": " I had worked with another person on PyMox, for example." }, { "timestamp": [1054.64, 1058.28], "text": " I don't know if people are familiar with that, but it's pretty weird little situation." }, { "timestamp": [1059.12, 1061.16], "text": " Yeah, talk about what PyMox is for a second." }, { "timestamp": [1061.76, 1063.8], "text": " So you can find the script on GitHub." }, { "timestamp": [1063.8, 1065.04], "text": " It's pretty straightforward. If you've done most of this stuff for a second. - So you can find the script on GitHub. It's pretty straightforward." }, { "timestamp": [1065.04, 1067.08], "text": " If you've done most of this stuff for a while," }, { "timestamp": [1067.08, 1068.84], "text": " system administration in a way," }, { "timestamp": [1068.84, 1071.64], "text": " you probably heard about proxmox." }, { "timestamp": [1071.64, 1075.8], "text": " I have proxmox on my main server that I'm using." }, { "timestamp": [1075.8, 1080.12], "text": " And I heard about PIMOCs," }, { "timestamp": [1080.12, 1082.88], "text": " and I was like, you can get proxmox on Raspberry Pi." }, { "timestamp": [1082.88, 1086.72], "text": " That seems kind of ridiculous." }, { "timestamp": [1086.72, 1089], "text": " It's not like the best use case for it," }, { "timestamp": [1089, 1091.88], "text": " but as far as like a learning tool, again," }, { "timestamp": [1091.88, 1094.84], "text": " really, really cool that you can set up Pimox." }, { "timestamp": [1094.84, 1097.04], "text": " You can set up maybe a couple virtual machines." }, { "timestamp": [1097.04, 1098.08], "text": " You won't get very far." }, { "timestamp": [1098.08, 1099.76], "text": " You have to keep them small." }, { "timestamp": [1099.76, 1103.68], "text": " And of course, the RAM limitations" }, { "timestamp": [1103.68, 1108], "text": " kind of puts you into sort of corner with that stuff." }, { "timestamp": [1108, 1115.04], "text": " But nonetheless, I was able to do set up two PyMox Raspberry Pies, one at my place and" }, { "timestamp": [1115.04, 1118.4], "text": " one at somebody else's and set up remote services." }, { "timestamp": [1118.4, 1125.52], "text": " And we were able to basically use each other's VPS is if you want to call it that" }, { "timestamp": [1129.76, 1132.52], "text": " To like you know go back and forth and test stuff like we're running red hat on one of them It was weird. It was just like just crazy, you know" }, { "timestamp": [1133.36, 1139.52], "text": " There's no like way that it's like sustainable by any means you couldn't use it for longer-term stuff" }, { "timestamp": [1139.52, 1142.24], "text": " I mean, I mean you could but I wouldn't recommend it" }, { "timestamp": [1142.68, 1146.72], "text": " But nonetheless like learning about stuff like that is really cool, which is just kind" }, { "timestamp": [1146.72, 1147.72], "text": " of play with." }, { "timestamp": [1147.72, 1151.04], "text": " Yeah, I'll drop a link to Pymox in the show notes." }, { "timestamp": [1151.04, 1154.96], "text": " But one thing I noticed with it is it hasn't really received any updates." }, { "timestamp": [1154.96, 1156.96], "text": " I'm looking at the GitHub right now." }, { "timestamp": [1156.96, 1160.44], "text": " Pymox 7 anyway, in two years." }, { "timestamp": [1160.44, 1161.44], "text": " Are you still using it?" }, { "timestamp": [1161.44, 1162.44], "text": " Do you know?" }, { "timestamp": [1162.44, 1170.4], "text": " Do you have a version of it that has more kind of leave it as. I think it was seven maybe I want to say yeah at the time that I used it" }, { "timestamp": [1171.04, 1174.4], "text": " Um, bike don't run it anymore. Um for that reason" }, { "timestamp": [1174.96, 1178.96], "text": " It was just like kind of an experimental thing in a way for me to learn about proxmox" }, { "timestamp": [1179.52, 1181.52], "text": " And the interface and like setting up" }, { "timestamp": [1182, 1184], "text": " You know vlan's and whatnot" }, { "timestamp": [1184.16, 1186.6], "text": " So face and like setting up, you know, VLANs and whatnot. So I just outgrew it as" }, { "timestamp": [1186.6, 1189.6], "text": " all. I would recommend it though. I would highly recommend it. Even if it's a" }, { "timestamp": [1189.6, 1193.84], "text": " little outdated, I feel like the repo itself is pretty straightforward. Like" }, { "timestamp": [1193.84, 1199.76], "text": " if you're decent enough at like, you know, coding or whatever, you could probably" }, { "timestamp": [1199.76, 1208.88], "text": " figure it out or fix stuff that's broken. But yeah, so I mainly switch to the R7610" }, { "timestamp": [1208.88, 1216.16], "text": " Racable Workstation from Dell for my virtualization server. It just has a lot of power. It's really" }, { "timestamp": [1216.16, 1221.44], "text": " quiet. It's kind of older, but it doesn't really matter. It has a lot of capability. You can put" }, { "timestamp": [1221.44, 1225.68], "text": " two processes in it. So I think you can get some decent zons out of it." }, { "timestamp": [1225.68, 1228.8], "text": " And most of the stuff is more affordable to you," }, { "timestamp": [1228.8, 1231.44], "text": " which is another reason why it's good." }, { "timestamp": [1231.44, 1235.68], "text": " And you can get up to 512 gigabytes of RAM" }, { "timestamp": [1235.68, 1237.4], "text": " if you have the two processors." }, { "timestamp": [1237.4, 1239.92], "text": " So it's kind of crazy." }, { "timestamp": [1239.92, 1241.24], "text": " It runs SaaS drives too." }, { "timestamp": [1241.24, 1246.72], "text": " So I've got like about six terabytes of SaaS drives to you. So I've got like about six terabytes of SaaS." }, { "timestamp": [1247.08, 1251], "text": " That's a story right now. So I feel like I'm pretty set. It's really awesome to" }, { "timestamp": [1251, 1255.36], "text": " have. And I only got this, I paid this server. I got this server from like an" }, { "timestamp": [1255.36, 1259.28], "text": " auction. It was like 50 bucks. It's just kind of absurd. I haven't put a lot of" }, { "timestamp": [1259.28, 1263.52], "text": " money into it. And I tend to try to do that if I can. Because it's just an" }, { "timestamp": [1263.52, 1266], "text": " expensive hobby to say the least." }, { "timestamp": [1267.3, 1268], "text": " That's cool." }, { "timestamp": [1268.2, 1270.5], "text": " Yeah, I was just looking it up and it looks like so." }, { "timestamp": [1270.9, 1272.1], "text": " PyMox 7." }, { "timestamp": [1273.3, 1275.8], "text": " I'll just read what it says just to go back for one sec." }, { "timestamp": [1275.8, 1276.4], "text": " I'll read what it says." }, { "timestamp": [1276.5, 1279.3], "text": " PyMox is a port of Proxmox, right?" }, { "timestamp": [1279.3, 1282.2], "text": " Virtual machine service built on Demian and Ubuntu." }, { "timestamp": [1282.6, 1286.48], "text": " That's been made specifically for Raspberry Pi starting with the" }, { "timestamp": [1286.48, 1293.84], "text": " 4 and it allows you to build a Proxmox cluster with Raspberry Pi's or a hybrid of Raspberry Pi's" }, { "timestamp": [1293.84, 1300.08], "text": " and X86 hardware which you would otherwise have with you know Intel Nooks or any regular computer." }, { "timestamp": [1300.64, 1305.6], "text": " So that's the idea and I did do a quick search and it looks like people are keeping" }, { "timestamp": [1306.32, 1313.32], "text": " Variations of pymox going for the pi 5 and beyond but I think the key part of it right is too is it's like it says" }, { "timestamp": [1314, 1317.2], "text": " approximox cluster of virtual machines" }, { "timestamp": [1318.44, 1320.44], "text": " Across multiple computers" }, { "timestamp": [1320.44, 1335], "text": " But the cool part about this is if you did set it up with a Raspberry Pi, nothing stops you from using that x86 hardware or transitioning into the x86 hardware, which like what bug art's saying and what have I experienced is that's what you just end up doing anyway." }, { "timestamp": [1335, 1346.64], "text": " It's a nice, but it's like a fun dip in the pond right like it's a way to get in the shallow end and swim around and be like, oh, this is cool. And then you realize how much better it could be." }, { "timestamp": [1346.64, 1349.36], "text": " It's a good starter point though, for a big world." }, { "timestamp": [1349.36, 1350.8], "text": " - Yeah, absolutely." }, { "timestamp": [1350.8, 1354.48], "text": " I was like the equivalent of like starting a small nest" }, { "timestamp": [1354.48, 1358.2], "text": " for your house and then jumping into like a," }, { "timestamp": [1358.2, 1360.16], "text": " some kind of like smaller server" }, { "timestamp": [1360.16, 1363.36], "text": " where you have a lot more storage capability." }, { "timestamp": [1363.36, 1365.92], "text": " In the same way, like could run a NAS on pretty" }, { "timestamp": [1365.92, 1372.56], "text": " much minimal hardware. And because of an example, I am the Raspberry Pi, people have totally done" }, { "timestamp": [1372.56, 1380.48], "text": " that, you've done that. But when you finally make that jump into an actual server and you get" }, { "timestamp": [1381.04, 1385.36], "text": " this crazy amount of storage and the possibilities just kind of open up." }, { "timestamp": [1390.32, 1395.2], "text": " It's just another thing. But yeah, I like that idea of the cluster. I mean, I didn't think about doing that at the time. I just like, sure, you know, I wanted to try it out," }, { "timestamp": [1395.2, 1400.64], "text": " but if I wanted to revisit that whole thing, I'd probably make a like," }, { "timestamp": [1400.64, 1407], "text": " a dedicated like one use space on my rack that I have right now and just try to do a cluster that way." }, { "timestamp": [1407, 1413.6], "text": " Well, once yeah, so speaking on that front, I haven't talked about this on the show. I don't think at all." }, { "timestamp": [1413.6, 1426.6], "text": " It's just becomes a lot of information, but it's good now. Like for me personally, I found that once the Pi 5 came out, I put in a pre-order for two Pi 5s, right?" }, { "timestamp": [1426.6, 1432.64], "text": " It's like, \"Oh, this is an exciting thing.\" I put in my pre-order two Pi's and" }, { "timestamp": [1432.64, 1436.88], "text": " then you have to order the power supply. You have to order an active cooler case" }, { "timestamp": [1436.88, 1447.1], "text": " and that put me somewhere around, you know, $110. But then you can get an adapter that goes above or below the" }, { "timestamp": [1447.1, 1453.5], "text": " Pi to add NVMe storage directly through a PCIe connection on the device, which" }, { "timestamp": [1453.5, 1460.34], "text": " is now supported on the regular Pi and not just on the industrial iteration of" }, { "timestamp": [1460.34, 1465.16], "text": " the Pi called the CM. So you could get this device," }, { "timestamp": [1465.16, 1467.56], "text": " but you would have to get this adapter plate as well, right?" }, { "timestamp": [1467.56, 1470.16], "text": " Which kind of messes with the whole case thing" }, { "timestamp": [1470.16, 1471.8], "text": " 'cause now you have this other thing." }, { "timestamp": [1471.8, 1474.24], "text": " So it's like, okay, getting a little janky." }, { "timestamp": [1475.24, 1477.44], "text": " You have this adapter board with a cable" }, { "timestamp": [1477.44, 1479.16], "text": " so that you can add an NVMe drive." }, { "timestamp": [1479.16, 1483.08], "text": " That's another 25 bucks plus shipping, it's like 35 bucks." }, { "timestamp": [1483.08, 1486.72], "text": " So I was looking at the cost of it, you know," }, { "timestamp": [1486.72, 1492.48], "text": " as this pre-order was going, and now I'm creeped up towards like $150 and that doesn't include" }, { "timestamp": [1492.48, 1499.2], "text": " the NVMe drive. So what I did at that point, because I also was thinking in terms of rock" }, { "timestamp": [1499.2, 1511.5], "text": " smocks personally, is I just bought thin clients on eBay, use thin clients, serve the home, talks about a lot of the mini micro project, tiny mini micro." }, { "timestamp": [1511.5, 1520], "text": " And so I ended up going above what was recommended personally, and I got HP Ryzen thin clients." }, { "timestamp": [1520, 1528.88], "text": " So I have thin clients and it was $170, but then I can upgrade the RAM, I can hold multiple disks." }, { "timestamp": [1528.88, 1532.24], "text": " It's just so much more powerful." }, { "timestamp": [1532.24, 1536.2], "text": " And the Pi 5 itself has a higher power draw." }, { "timestamp": [1536.2, 1538.6], "text": " That's why it needs an active cooler case than ever before." }, { "timestamp": [1538.6, 1542.4], "text": " So it's really not that different from running the thin client." }, { "timestamp": [1542.4, 1545.48], "text": " But power wise, that's why I was thinking about it." }, { "timestamp": [1545.48, 1548.22], "text": " In terms of what I'm getting for the amount of power I'm using," }, { "timestamp": [1548.52, 1554.16], "text": " it was like 12 times the pie plus it's x86." }, { "timestamp": [1554.32, 1555.44], "text": " So it runs anything." }, { "timestamp": [1555.68, 1558.12], "text": " So I just, it was an obvious choice." }, { "timestamp": [1558.4, 1561.48], "text": " And now I have this thin client that has 64 gigs of RAM." }, { "timestamp": [1562.24, 1566.64], "text": " And it's just a much, much better machine." }, { "timestamp": [1566.64, 1568.48], "text": " I don't have the weird cable at the," }, { "timestamp": [1568.48, 1570.4], "text": " out of to an adapter plate." }, { "timestamp": [1570.4, 1571.88], "text": " And it holds more than one disk." }, { "timestamp": [1571.88, 1574.88], "text": " It's just like, yeah, that's crazy better." }, { "timestamp": [1574.88, 1576.64], "text": " It still feels like a lot of machine to me" }, { "timestamp": [1576.64, 1580.04], "text": " even to this day, but it's nice to have extra machine" }, { "timestamp": [1580.04, 1582.88], "text": " to play with instead of always hating on a limit, you know," }, { "timestamp": [1582.88, 1585.36], "text": " of like, what can I do based on what I have?" }, { "timestamp": [1585.36, 1587.96], "text": " And now it's kind of more like, I can do whatever I want." }, { "timestamp": [1587.96, 1594.04], "text": " So anyway, yeah, that's kind of the end of the story of using these devices for a lot" }, { "timestamp": [1594.04, 1595.04], "text": " of years." }, { "timestamp": [1595.04, 1598.64], "text": " And then you kind of realize, I mean, I think it's known now, you know, thing clients are" }, { "timestamp": [1598.64, 1603.92], "text": " a thing, but you definitely have like reasons to move away, I think, especially with the" }, { "timestamp": [1603.92, 1606.2], "text": " Pi 5." }, { "timestamp": [1612.48, 1617.04], "text": " Oh, last thing I'll say on this summit, like little Pi tangent, sorry, is people, well, I heard people talking recently and they were saying like that, you know, the Pi is all" }, { "timestamp": [1617.04, 1618.72], "text": " about the GPIO, right?" }, { "timestamp": [1618.72, 1627.16], "text": " Like the Pi devices are all about having these GPIO hardware pins exposed on the device that you can make" }, { "timestamp": [1627.16, 1629.08], "text": " little electronic projects with." }, { "timestamp": [1629.08, 1632.48], "text": " And you can connect adapters to your own hats." }, { "timestamp": [1632.48, 1633.72], "text": " That's true." }, { "timestamp": [1633.72, 1638.56], "text": " But I think that there is something else to be said about this, which is if that's what" }, { "timestamp": [1638.56, 1646.88], "text": " you want, if you want to be able to use a GPIO connector, then you have the entire world of microcontrollers, Arduino, all these" }, { "timestamp": [1646.88, 1651.6], "text": " things that you can use. And then if you program them, like you can connect them to a computer," }, { "timestamp": [1651.6, 1657.52], "text": " right? So there's that. There's also the PyPico version of this. And then if you're like," }, { "timestamp": [1657.52, 1664.4], "text": " no, I want the Pi, well, that's what the Pi zeros for also, you have the Pi zero two W for 15 bucks." }, { "timestamp": [1667.44, 1673.32], "text": " for also you have the Pi zero 2w for 15 bucks and it gives you GPIO access with a Raspberry Pi computer bare minimum machine but you know that'll give you the" }, { "timestamp": [1673.32, 1679.32], "text": " ability to have a device you can connect to over Wi-Fi and do things with but" }, { "timestamp": [1679.32, 1683.52], "text": " you can do the same thing with Arduino's and microcontrollers so it's like and" }, { "timestamp": [1683.52, 1685.96], "text": " if you don't want one of those," }, { "timestamp": [1685.96, 1688.8], "text": " I'm just saying if you really don't want one of those," }, { "timestamp": [1688.8, 1691], "text": " it's kind of like, what do you want?" }, { "timestamp": [1691, 1691.84], "text": " You know what I mean?" }, { "timestamp": [1691.84, 1693.64], "text": " It's like, 'cause yeah," }, { "timestamp": [1693.64, 1696.28], "text": " those are available to you for a few dollars." }, { "timestamp": [1696.28, 1701.04], "text": " And the Raspberry Pi 5 now is like, you know, 120 plus dollars." }, { "timestamp": [1701.04, 1707.2], "text": " So it goes into an interesting space of practicality in regards to the pie" }, { "timestamp": [1707.2, 1711.96], "text": " itself as well. It's kind of like what niche is it filling? And that's where like I've" }, { "timestamp": [1711.96, 1717.04], "text": " ended up personally is like, when I have a pie five, if I don't need to use it for a" }, { "timestamp": [1717.04, 1724.2], "text": " project, I won't because I don't want to throw a $120 board personally at running my 3D printer." }, { "timestamp": [1724.2, 1726.54], "text": " I would actually downgrade to like the old" }, { "timestamp": [1726.54, 1730.48], "text": " Pi 3, which is exactly what I did, because it'll still run everything." }, { "timestamp": [1730.48, 1735.16], "text": " So I'm trying to like downgrade myself to these like lower level devices." }, { "timestamp": [1735.16, 1737.16], "text": " But yeah." }, { "timestamp": [1737.16, 1741.84], "text": " So that's part of the reason I sent away these Raspberry Pi devices." }, { "timestamp": [1741.84, 1747.64], "text": " I've replaced them with more powerful machines. For myself." }, { "timestamp": [1747.64, 1751.04], "text": " Alright, okay." }, { "timestamp": [1751.04, 1754.88], "text": " Oh, here's one from somebody." }, { "timestamp": [1754.88, 1759.28], "text": " I bought a cheap, thin client with an internal space for a 3.5-inch hard drive." }, { "timestamp": [1759.28, 1760.92], "text": " I set it up at my parents' house." }, { "timestamp": [1760.92, 1765.72], "text": " I configured it to automatically connect over tail scale network with WireGuard" }, { "timestamp": [1765.72, 1768.24], "text": " and I have a cheap 10 terabyte backup." }, { "timestamp": [1768.24, 1771.36], "text": " There you go." }, { "timestamp": [1771.36, 1775.76], "text": " Whether it's a Nook or any other device, right?" }, { "timestamp": [1775.76, 1780.8], "text": " It's like what we're talking about setting up a device you can connect to." }, { "timestamp": [1780.8, 1783.2], "text": " All right." }, { "timestamp": [1783.2, 1789.92], "text": " Let's see. Somebody else says, \"I think people have been using the term self-hosted to mean what" }, { "timestamp": [1789.92, 1792.12], "text": " we used to call a home PC." }, { "timestamp": [1792.12, 1797.66], "text": " I always thought of a hosted computer, self-hosted, or hosted by a company as meaning a server," }, { "timestamp": [1797.66, 1804.4], "text": " which means it lives in a data center, or a rented box or VPS, and you self-host it" }, { "timestamp": [1804.4, 1806.96], "text": " by installing and managing the software yourself." }, { "timestamp": [1809.12, 1812.4], "text": " Of course, if you have good enough internet, you could self-host a server at home, but" }, { "timestamp": [1812.4, 1818.72], "text": " considerations are otherwise the same. It would usually not also be your workstation or gaming" }, { "timestamp": [1818.72, 1826.64], "text": " computer. Yeah, I think that that's like basically what I think we're, would you agree with this?" }, { "timestamp": [1826.64, 1831.24], "text": " Like our internet connections are good enough that you're in a space where you can host" }, { "timestamp": [1831.24, 1832.56], "text": " machines from home and it's fine." }, { "timestamp": [1832.56, 1834.36], "text": " Like you don't need a data center." }, { "timestamp": [1834.36, 1835.8], "text": " Yeah, my, okay." }, { "timestamp": [1835.8, 1840.48], "text": " So first of all, my internet connection is pretty bad." }, { "timestamp": [1840.48, 1841.72], "text": " Like it's not super great." }, { "timestamp": [1841.72, 1846.4], "text": " Like comparatively, like if I think about like connections I had in the" }, { "timestamp": [1847, 1853.56], "text": " 90s or whatever like, you know dial up stuff like but I will also say that like I don't" }, { "timestamp": [1854.4, 1857.78], "text": " Like concern myself a ton with how good my internet" }, { "timestamp": [1858.36, 1863.48], "text": " Connection is I kind of complain about it a lot, but like the reality is I'm able to" }, { "timestamp": [1863.96, 1866.4], "text": " Run tons of services and the majority" }, { "timestamp": [1866.4, 1871.52], "text": " of the ones that I'm hosting, self-hosting, you know, only people in my house are accessing" }, { "timestamp": [1871.52, 1877.6], "text": " them anyway. So, you know, the kind of latency or any of that kind of stuff doesn't even matter." }, { "timestamp": [1878.48, 1883.36], "text": " I've kind of like moved away from exposing too many services out into the world" }, { "timestamp": [1884, 1890.12], "text": " from exposing too many services out into the world. Because I'm moving more towards zero trust and just really trying to learn more about" }, { "timestamp": [1890.12, 1892.16], "text": " the security side of things." }, { "timestamp": [1892.16, 1898.28], "text": " But anyways, to not tangent off too much, I remember we've had this discussion quite a" }, { "timestamp": [1898.28, 1915], "text": " bit, but if you really go far back to self-hosting, think about something like the BBS scene. That's where I think of this kind of like origin story is crazy because people were basically making file transfers all over the country" }, { "timestamp": [1915, 1919], "text": " with the most rudimentary equipment possible." }, { "timestamp": [1919, 1925.2], "text": " So when I really think about, when I feel like I want to complain about my internet connection" }, { "timestamp": [1930.64, 1931.28], "text": " or like my my gear being not you know not strong enough I go back to that and I'm like yeah but" }, { "timestamp": [1936.88, 1942.4], "text": " it could be much worse or I could have much more constraints I don't feel like I have a ton it'd be nice to have like faster connection because then I might be able to actually provide more" }, { "timestamp": [1942.4, 1946], "text": " services to people my most most of the stuff that I end up doing now," }, { "timestamp": [1946, 1955], "text": " like if I'm doing any kind of services, like helping people set up their VPS or helping them set up their DNS and email and stuff like that." }, { "timestamp": [1955, 1967.8], "text": " So it doesn't really require me to host anything on my end. So all of the self-hosting that I'm doing is primarily kind of in the tradition of Servz-a-Home, like I'm helping my family have," }, { "timestamp": [1967.8, 1972.04], "text": " you know, like cool videos to watch or family pictures" }, { "timestamp": [1972.04, 1974.2], "text": " or whatever, you know, just fun stuff," }, { "timestamp": [1974.2, 1978.72], "text": " like put up some, you know, put up a ESP32" }, { "timestamp": [1978.72, 1981.88], "text": " and use it to connect a bunch of Ramolites" }, { "timestamp": [1981.88, 1983.4], "text": " and just do weird stuff like that," }, { "timestamp": [1983.4, 1987.52], "text": " like that's fun to me. I don't know." }, { "timestamp": [1993.36, 1994.56], "text": " Yeah, at this point, yeah, I think self-hosting is about really taking ownership of what you host." }, { "timestamp": [2001.28, 2007], "text": " That could be a VPS across the world somewhere. I used to have a ton of VPSs, but then I just felt like it was a bit of a cost to be just experimenting on things that I could do at home." }, { "timestamp": [2007, 2026.84], "text": " Yeah, well said. And I think a big improvement too, as far as like, one of the things that's nice about ARM hardware specifically in ubiquitous because you have ARM64 architecture support" }, { "timestamp": [2026.84, 2028.4], "text": " across the board." }, { "timestamp": [2028.4, 2030.56], "text": " That's really like leveled the plane." }, { "timestamp": [2030.56, 2034.52], "text": " So that's the reason PIMOCs that we were just talking about" }, { "timestamp": [2034.52, 2038.36], "text": " or is a thing because now you have this native 64-bit" }, { "timestamp": [2038.36, 2040.44], "text": " support, but it takes away the," }, { "timestamp": [2041.52, 2044.28], "text": " it's kind of despecializing the need for a specific device." }, { "timestamp": [2044.28, 2048.16], "text": " It's like it's more about do you have arm 64 or do you have x 86," }, { "timestamp": [2048.16, 2050.28], "text": " 64 or now risk?" }, { "timestamp": [2050.6, 2053.36], "text": " Um, and that's really the only thing that matters." }, { "timestamp": [2053.8, 2056.84], "text": " So as long as you have that, you can use these different devices together." }, { "timestamp": [2056.84, 2060], "text": " And like the limit you're going to run into is the hardware itself, right?" }, { "timestamp": [2060, 2062.92], "text": " Like if the hardware doesn't have an ethernet port, that's annoying." }, { "timestamp": [2062.96, 2063.92], "text": " It doesn't have a hard drive." }, { "timestamp": [2063.92, 2064.52], "text": " That's annoying." }, { "timestamp": [2064.88, 2066.44], "text": " But other than it's more about like," }, { "timestamp": [2066.44, 2068.6], "text": " what are you willing to tolerate now" }, { "timestamp": [2068.6, 2070.24], "text": " in relation to these devices?" }, { "timestamp": [2070.24, 2072.52], "text": " But things are supported well," }, { "timestamp": [2072.52, 2075.52], "text": " especially with virtual machines and containers." }, { "timestamp": [2076.48, 2078.44], "text": " It's basically just, that's all that matters" }, { "timestamp": [2078.44, 2079.28], "text": " with architecture." }, { "timestamp": [2079.28, 2081.32], "text": " Nobody cares what your device is anymore." }, { "timestamp": [2083.04, 2083.88], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [2090.48, 2095.12], "text": " All right. I think also, I just want to respond to what you were just saying, Bogard, of like the power of running your own devices at home, like you're saying is," }, { "timestamp": [2095.6, 2100.64], "text": " you're just empowering yourself to try things. It should be a fun thing. It shouldn't be like a" }, { "timestamp": [2100.64, 2108.48], "text": " stress thing. And it's not necessarily production, either, right? Which is like something that you and I connect back on is like," }, { "timestamp": [2108.48, 2111.44], "text": " when you're trying to host something for a lot of people," }, { "timestamp": [2111.44, 2114.48], "text": " that's different from when you're just testing something." }, { "timestamp": [2114.48, 2119.48], "text": " And because if it needs to be up all the time," }, { "timestamp": [2119.48, 2120.92], "text": " I think that's what we're talking about." }, { "timestamp": [2120.92, 2122.84], "text": " Having a service like, for example," }, { "timestamp": [2122.84, 2129], "text": " a video platform that you're going to have people having meetings on every day, like that is" }, { "timestamp": [2129, 2133.08], "text": " a problem. Like we have personally experienced the setting of this call. It's like, it just" }, { "timestamp": [2133.08, 2138.92], "text": " needs to be working, because you need to get stuff done. But nothing stops you from setting" }, { "timestamp": [2138.92, 2143.8], "text": " up these tools yourself. If as long as you can support it at home, and we can, you know," }, { "timestamp": [2143.8, 2145.2], "text": " test it on a small scale," }, { "timestamp": [2145.2, 2147], "text": " and that part's cool." }, { "timestamp": [2147, 2148.68], "text": " And if we can make it work, then it's good." }, { "timestamp": [2148.68, 2150.62], "text": " But sometimes it just takes time, right?" }, { "timestamp": [2150.62, 2152.72], "text": " That's like the advantage of the home lab." }, { "timestamp": [2152.72, 2153.56], "text": " That's what I think of it." }, { "timestamp": [2153.56, 2155.36], "text": " It's like a testing ground." }, { "timestamp": [2155.36, 2159.16], "text": " And by having devices too that aren't at your own home," }, { "timestamp": [2159.16, 2161.48], "text": " you're distributing out that testing space" }, { "timestamp": [2161.48, 2165.28], "text": " like your sandbox into multiple sandboxes to play in." }, { "timestamp": [2165.4, 2166.8], "text": " And this is a good thing." }, { "timestamp": [2168.04, 2171.24], "text": " So yeah, I feel like that's like the big advantage." }, { "timestamp": [2172.04, 2174.48], "text": " 10. What's that mean?" }, { "timestamp": [2175.44, 2177.68], "text": " We only have 10 minutes left. That's all. Okay." }, { "timestamp": [2180.44, 2185], "text": " All right. So to do. Here's another comment. I see you are trying to make here's another comment." }, { "timestamp": [2186, 2188.8], "text": " I see you are trying to make a home theater PC." }, { "timestamp": [2188.8, 2191.64], "text": " Oh, this is from the last episode where I was talking" }, { "timestamp": [2191.64, 2194.84], "text": " about giving one of these devices to a friend," }, { "timestamp": [2194.84, 2197.54], "text": " setting it up so that they would have access" }, { "timestamp": [2197.54, 2200.5], "text": " to watch jelly fin videos on their TV." }, { "timestamp": [2200.5, 2205.08], "text": " I just set up the Roku app and added it to the machine." }, { "timestamp": [2205.08, 2206.58], "text": " So this person said, you were just setting up" }, { "timestamp": [2206.58, 2209.02], "text": " a home theater PC, HTPC." }, { "timestamp": [2209.02, 2211.54], "text": " That would have been a clearer term to use." }, { "timestamp": [2212.68, 2216.24], "text": " But related to this talk, it's like," }, { "timestamp": [2217.16, 2218.78], "text": " is that what I was doing?" }, { "timestamp": [2218.78, 2221.42], "text": " 'Cause I think what I'm trying to do," }, { "timestamp": [2221.42, 2223.9], "text": " like a home theater PC," }, { "timestamp": [2223.9, 2226.08], "text": " what I think what that is in my mind" }, { "timestamp": [2226.08, 2230.12], "text": " is that is traditionally a device that's plugged into your TV." }, { "timestamp": [2230.12, 2234.28], "text": " As like an Apple TV would be or a stick or something" }, { "timestamp": [2234.28, 2237.04], "text": " with like a remote to watch videos on." }, { "timestamp": [2237.04, 2241.52], "text": " And when I was thinking of like was having a device" }, { "timestamp": [2241.52, 2244.72], "text": " that's, it's not important that it's connected to the TV." }, { "timestamp": [2244.72, 2248.34], "text": " It's important that it's connected over a wired connection as strongly as possible." }, { "timestamp": [2248.6, 2253], "text": " And then adding a service that someone could use so they felt like they were" }, { "timestamp": [2253, 2257.18], "text": " getting some practical application out of the box and not just having my" }, { "timestamp": [2257.18, 2259.32], "text": " machine at their house and it wasn't giving them anything." }, { "timestamp": [2259.56, 2266.44], "text": " So the my intention with this box is specifically, I want to run whatever I want to run on it" }, { "timestamp": [2266.44, 2267.88], "text": " or whatever they want." }, { "timestamp": [2267.88, 2270.56], "text": " I just wanted to start from somewhere." }, { "timestamp": [2270.56, 2274.72], "text": " Just because it's running media services, I think that's just a healthy end for the average" }, { "timestamp": [2274.72, 2275.72], "text": " person." }, { "timestamp": [2275.72, 2278.44], "text": " But that's not my intended stopping point." }, { "timestamp": [2278.44, 2284.8], "text": " Nor theirs, they're already asking me about other services they can use besides that." }, { "timestamp": [2284.8, 2286.8], "text": " If that makes sense. But right, you got to give" }, { "timestamp": [2286.8, 2290.96], "text": " somebody an end when you're hosting services at their house. I feel like give them backups or" }, { "timestamp": [2290.96, 2296.32], "text": " give them something. Would you agree? Yeah, I agree. It definitely has to have some sort of value." }, { "timestamp": [2298, 2304.8], "text": " Not everybody wants to experiment and do crazy stuff that we're into, but they might want to" }, { "timestamp": [2303.92, 2307.6], "text": " and do crazy stuff that we were into, but they might wanna say, hey, well, what is Jelly Fin?" }, { "timestamp": [2307.6, 2308.96], "text": " Let me try this out." }, { "timestamp": [2308.96, 2310], "text": " What is Plex?" }, { "timestamp": [2310, 2311.24], "text": " How do I use these things?" }, { "timestamp": [2311.24, 2314.16], "text": " I'm like, why is that interesting to me?" }, { "timestamp": [2314.16, 2317.36], "text": " And I know that my home, the main thing is" }, { "timestamp": [2317.36, 2320.32], "text": " this dissatisfaction with the streaming services" }, { "timestamp": [2320.32, 2324.8], "text": " that in the beginning, everything was commercial free" }, { "timestamp": [2324.8, 2327.44], "text": " and just the prices were lower." }, { "timestamp": [2327.44, 2334.8], "text": " And now, I went and controlled over the actual content. The thing with having Jellyfin," }, { "timestamp": [2335.44, 2340.56], "text": " which, by the way, is integrated into some TVs already with the apps. For example," }, { "timestamp": [2340.56, 2345.38], "text": " the Amazon Fire TV, not that I'm getting any money out of saying that," }, { "timestamp": [2345.38, 2349.32], "text": " but having that built in is pretty ideal." }, { "timestamp": [2349.32, 2350.44], "text": " Same thing with Plex." }, { "timestamp": [2350.44, 2353.52], "text": " Plex will be on things like Visio, usually." }, { "timestamp": [2353.52, 2354.36], "text": " - Server?" }, { "timestamp": [2355.36, 2357.48], "text": " - Not the server necessarily, but the client." }, { "timestamp": [2357.48, 2360.68], "text": " So yeah, so you can have the client built in" }, { "timestamp": [2360.68, 2363.68], "text": " for your family members, maybe they're not technical," }, { "timestamp": [2363.68, 2366.44], "text": " but they can operate a client" }, { "timestamp": [2366.44, 2371.16], "text": " that looks a lot like Netflix or feels a lot like Netflix." }, { "timestamp": [2371.16, 2375.52], "text": " But that's a huge value, right?" }, { "timestamp": [2375.52, 2380.48], "text": " Like your favorite show goes off of Netflix or whatever, and somehow you're able to provide" }, { "timestamp": [2380.48, 2387], "text": " that for a family member, \"Hey, I don't know if I want to say what TV shows or anything. Yeah, yeah." }, { "timestamp": [2387, 2399], "text": " You know what I mean? Like, you can get them that show and then they, you know, kind of a kind of like a stop gap for things that don't exist on traditional services like Netflix or Hulu." }, { "timestamp": [2399, 2405], "text": " Yeah, watching all those public domain shows. Yeah, you know, man. From the twenties." }, { "timestamp": [2405, 2408.88], "text": " So here's another good line." }, { "timestamp": [2408.88, 2413.08], "text": " I wouldn't trust a computer donated by Eddie Wood, let alone for self-hosting personal" }, { "timestamp": [2413.08, 2414.08], "text": " data audit." }, { "timestamp": [2414.08, 2415.08], "text": " No thanks." }, { "timestamp": [2415.08, 2417.08], "text": " That's cool." }, { "timestamp": [2417.08, 2421.16], "text": " I mean, I wouldn't trust anything I send anyone either." }, { "timestamp": [2421.16, 2424.2], "text": " You know, what kind of viruses I might have put on there." }, { "timestamp": [2424.2, 2428.88], "text": " Well, yeah, but also like, that's why you're giving it to someone who wants it. Like, you're" }, { "timestamp": [2428.88, 2433.84], "text": " not giving it to like a stranger on the street. Like, hey, you want to you want to server, dude?" }, { "timestamp": [2435.68, 2438.88], "text": " I mean, where are they handing out servers? Like that. Anyway, I'll take them." }, { "timestamp": [2438.88, 2440.4], "text": " Oh, that's true. Let me know too." }, { "timestamp": [2444.88, 2452.36], "text": " Here's another one. Oh, this was in relation to setting up MDNS local DNS," }, { "timestamp": [2452.36, 2458.4], "text": " right, when you're, so as part of a guide that I was writing for the last episode for" }, { "timestamp": [2458.4, 2464.28], "text": " when you want to expose services locally, right, you have the dot local domain. And this person" }, { "timestamp": [2464.28, 2467.88], "text": " saying don't use dot local as an internal domain. It could cause problems." }, { "timestamp": [2468, 2472.28], "text": " You can now use dot internal. It was recently reserved for this purpose." }, { "timestamp": [2472.88, 2476.72], "text": " And I looked it up and that is true as of last, uh, I think 2023." }, { "timestamp": [2477.88, 2482.6], "text": " Yeah, that sounds right. Um, I was watching a webinar recently and someone" }, { "timestamp": [2482.6, 2486.44], "text": " else had mentioned that too, um too about, you know, preferring" }, { "timestamp": [2486.44, 2492.08], "text": " internal over local. I haven't tried it personally. I never really have to do that for the most" }, { "timestamp": [2492.08, 2499.2], "text": " part because like with the client services like Jellyfin, for example, it's already baked" }, { "timestamp": [2499.2, 2506], "text": " in for most people. Like I use, you know, Jellyfin on my phone to you and I'll stream it to my TV" }, { "timestamp": [2506, 2510.04], "text": " because my other TV doesn't have Jellifen so I'll just use it that way. But I mean," }, { "timestamp": [2510.04, 2514.76], "text": " that's just one example. Some of the like audio things that I was experimenting with," }, { "timestamp": [2514.76, 2521.04], "text": " for example, were a little weird and I had to do some weird DNS tricks to get them out" }, { "timestamp": [2521.04, 2526.72], "text": " to the people that wanted to try them out. But you know, definitely, I want to try it." }, { "timestamp": [2526.88, 2527.88], "text": " Let's try internal." }, { "timestamp": [2528.72, 2533.16], "text": " I mean, I just wonder at what point do we get like more functionally useful domains?" }, { "timestamp": [2533.16, 2537.84], "text": " Like, why can't we just have dot in or dot you?" }, { "timestamp": [2538.56, 2541.16], "text": " Like, why do we have to go for it for full internal?" }, { "timestamp": [2541.16, 2544.6], "text": " It sounds nerdy, you know, like website internal." }, { "timestamp": [2544.64, 2544.8], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [2544.8, 2549], "text": " Like it's is website. Donnie's like, you know, there you go." }, { "timestamp": [2549, 2553.5], "text": " Less type aid. We're lazy. Yeah. Send us some letters." }, { "timestamp": [2553.5, 2556.5], "text": " I always try to save letters. I hate them." }, { "timestamp": [2556.5, 2558.6], "text": " Stupid letters." }, { "timestamp": [2558.6, 2563.7], "text": " Well, it sounds like we're hitting the end of our meeting time" }, { "timestamp": [2563.7, 2565.8], "text": " almost." }, { "timestamp": [2565.8, 2569.2], "text": " Do you want to start a new session or do you want to call it?" }, { "timestamp": [2569.2, 2573.16], "text": " I think I'm going to have to call it because I got a run of the pharmacy." }, { "timestamp": [2573.16, 2577], "text": " So yeah, let's do a quick wrap up to gather." }, { "timestamp": [2577, 2578], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [2578, 2579], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [2579, 2582.88], "text": " Um, chop." }, { "timestamp": [2582.88, 2585.6], "text": " So this is, uh, this is awesome." }, { "timestamp": [2585.6, 2589.02], "text": " But I've been so excited to record this together." }, { "timestamp": [2589.96, 2591.68], "text": " You and I go back and like," }, { "timestamp": [2591.68, 2595.08], "text": " we're really bonded through this exact kind of thing." }, { "timestamp": [2595.08, 2598.32], "text": " So just let me talk about not in recording," }, { "timestamp": [2598.32, 2600.88], "text": " running services together for other people," }, { "timestamp": [2600.88, 2603.16], "text": " testing services for ourselves." }, { "timestamp": [2603.16, 2605.76], "text": " And I'm excited for that in relation to the" }, { "timestamp": [2605.76, 2611.52], "text": " continuing of the show because you're just of the same cloth, you know, we're like, and we can talk" }, { "timestamp": [2611.52, 2617.6], "text": " about it more at length. But I think it was just really fun to respond to people's feedback from" }, { "timestamp": [2617.6, 2623.68], "text": " the show together. And just like getting, you know, getting people a chance to kind of experience" }, { "timestamp": [2623.68, 2630.48], "text": " this and for me to experience it too, like just chatting with another person on the show in a more casual way." }, { "timestamp": [2630.48, 2631.48], "text": " It's nice." }, { "timestamp": [2631.48, 2632.48], "text": " Absolutely." }, { "timestamp": [2632.48, 2637.12], "text": " Thanks for having me on, of course." }, { "timestamp": [2637.12, 2645.08], "text": " It is also good to kind of talk about our shared torture with all the self-hosting stuff. I think that it's" }, { "timestamp": [2645.08, 2651.28], "text": " encouraging to have people to share this information with. I have" }, { "timestamp": [2651.28, 2655.12], "text": " plenty of people that I'll reach out to if I can't figure something out." }, { "timestamp": [2655.12, 2660.12], "text": " And similarly, they'll reach out to me if they can't figure something out." }, { "timestamp": [2660.12, 2668.68], "text": " And I think it's good to have those kind of, you know, bonds and friendships, you know, and community. That's really" }, { "timestamp": [2668.68, 2669.6], "text": " what it's all about." }, { "timestamp": [2669.92, 2670.56], "text": " Definitely." }, { "timestamp": [2671.72, 2675.56], "text": " So I think what we'll do probably is you and I will pick" }, { "timestamp": [2676.56, 2681.24], "text": " pick up and chat more in the future, because it'd be fun to" }, { "timestamp": [2681.24, 2688.88], "text": " keep keep going. I feel like it's a good starter. And also, I guess good moment to note that I've done a couple long format" }, { "timestamp": [2688.88, 2692.48], "text": " interviews with people now. None of it's been released, but one with the" }, { "timestamp": [2692.48, 2700.08], "text": " journalist, one with a open source developer. And I intend to post those." }, { "timestamp": [2700.08, 2703.76], "text": " I'm curious for people's feedback too, in regards to this, you know, like what you" }, { "timestamp": [2703.76, 2708.8], "text": " think, because this is a continued experiment the show structure having guests." }, { "timestamp": [2709, 2714], "text": " Obviously, I love chatting with my friend, so I'm happy to do that anytime. It just feels nice." }, { "timestamp": [2715, 2721.5], "text": " And it's also fun to respond to audience feedback, which I don't normally do as much of, but I think it's good." }, { "timestamp": [2722.5, 2725.9], "text": " So, yeah, send me your thoughts on it. And do you have any" }, { "timestamp": [2725.9, 2729.02], "text": " parting thoughts in relation to anything we discussed or you want people to think about" }, { "timestamp": [2729.02, 2730.66], "text": " where we meet again?" }, { "timestamp": [2730.66, 2736.48], "text": " No, I'll just share the call to arms here. If you haven't, you know, self-hosting was" }, { "timestamp": [2736.48, 2742.9], "text": " kind of a tail end of this. If you haven't started self-hosting, start small and just" }, { "timestamp": [2742.9, 2746], "text": " kind of get something going and use it as an opportunity to learn." }, { "timestamp": [2746, 2751], "text": " Don't think about it like you got to have a data center in your garage that would be wild." }, { "timestamp": [2751, 2755], "text": " And if you do, invite me over so I can see it." }, { "timestamp": [2764, 2767], "text": " Sorry, a closed source win in this one." }, { "timestamp": [2767, 2773.92], "text": " Okay, I have to give a little bit of backstory, whether it gets shared or not." }, { "timestamp": [2773.92, 2781], "text": " We tried to use on-weekaster, which is a Jesse based recording service, and we used" }, { "timestamp": [2781, 2782.84], "text": " it before and it worked fine." }, { "timestamp": [2782.84, 2786.64], "text": " But then this time total fail, couldn't get it to work," }, { "timestamp": [2786.64, 2789.72], "text": " couldn't get the audio to work, just wouldn't go." }, { "timestamp": [2789.72, 2793.8], "text": " And then tried recording it on a Grafino-S call," }, { "timestamp": [2793.8, 2796.92], "text": " but apparently that's like broken since 2023." }, { "timestamp": [2796.92, 2798.32], "text": " So that didn't work." }, { "timestamp": [2798.32, 2800.92], "text": " And now we're on Zoom success." }, { "timestamp": [2802.04, 2802.88], "text": " - Yes." }, { "timestamp": [2804.4, 2808], "text": " - Great. I don't know if I'll include that or not, but it's a funny backstory." }, { "timestamp": [2808, 2811], "text": " We'll laugh about it later." }, { "timestamp": [2811, 2814], "text": " That takes for some time." }, { "timestamp": [2814, null], "text": " Okay. (dramatic music)" } ]